Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:06:56 -0400
Reply-To: "Edwards, Ellen" <ellen.edwards@ATTWS.COM>
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From: "Edwards, Ellen" <ellen.edwards@ATTWS.COM>
Subject: Re: Mostly to the SAS contractors among us
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I, too, have been working with SAS since early '80's (just haven't been here
on this list..), and am also seeing my current establishment, as well as
former employers, phase out SAS in favor of other products. I work with
Teradata here, and use SAS for very, very little. Data here is very, very
huge, and Teradata stores in terabytes, and engages in parallel processing.
The processing in SAS is still sequential, and hence, less efficient.
Since I have worked in IT/IS departments often (current assignment is IT),
it is difficult to persuade management, who are skilled in observing the
performance of hardware and software, that SAS can do a better job than
other software for tasks such as data warehousing, tabulations, file
management, or object-oriented programming. If a client is looking for a
product to perform statistical operations, or is looking for a good
data-manipulation tool, then I see nothing wrong with suggesting SAS.
Otherwise, like you, I don't even try.
-Ellen Edwards
Consultant AT&T
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> From: Bernard Tremblay[SMTP:bernard@CAPITALE.QC.CA]
> Reply To: Bernard Tremblay
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 9:26 AM
> To: SAS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Mostly to the SAS contractors among us
>
> Hi,
>
> Same for me. But since I've been working with SAS since 1980's,
> I sometime explain to the client how a SAS solution to his/her problem
> would be and what are the advantages. But, I'd rather let SAS make its
> own marketing.
>
> Since we are talking about SAS marketing. I would qualify SAS
> marketing
> on site as inexistant. My client "La Capitale" is thinking of dropping
> SAS.
> La Capitale bought Oracle and many Oracle products. The software bill
> has grown
> very big and they see SAS as a very expensive software. I've tried to
> talk to some SAS reprentative about that, but they are invisible since
> many years here.
> The SAS office use to be in Montreal (250 miles away from Quebec) and
> they never
> show up here. Now they just open an office in Quebec, but nothing has
> changed yet.
> SAS even forgot about us when it's time to send updates. We asked for
> the updates of SAS 6.12 TS050 since MONTHS and have not received it.
> Now
> how do you want me to explain a client that he should stay with SAS ????
>
> My client has decided to go for Oracle for the datawarehouse and
> SAS is still sleeping to death...
>
> So much for SAS here... It's only a matter of time.
>
> Regards,
> Bernard Tremblay
>
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> Edwards, Ellen wrote:
> >
> > I don't contract "SAS" specifically, but rather, I contract my skill as,
> > among other things, a prgrammer who uses SAS as a tool. I don't know if
> I
> > speak for other contractors here, but my own goal is not, and has never
> > been, to market SAS as a solution. SAS has their own sales and
> marketing
> > department geared toward this end.
> >
> > -Ellen Edwards
> > Consultant AT&T Wireless
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Doug Zirbel[SMTP:doug.zirbel@SUPERVALU.COM]
> > > Reply To: doug.zirbel@SUPERVALU.COM
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 7:34 PM
> > > To: SAS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
> > > Subject: Mostly to the SAS contractors among us
> > >
> > > I've been interviewing SAS folks for a SUGI paper on Marketing SAS At
> Your
> > > Worksite (or something along those lines). I sent this out a couple
> of
> > > weeks
> > > ago and got a big '.' for a response. Perhaps it's not as interesting
> as
> > > I'd
> > > first thought, but let me more specifically redirect it: this is to
> all of
> > > you
> > > who do contract SAS and whose livelihoods and professional reputation
> > > depends on
> > > this sort of thing:
> > >
> > > How do you "sell" SAS (as a solution to a given problem) to a client?
> > > Or don't you?
> > > Would anyone benefit?
> > > What advice do you have for them?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > Doug Zirbel
> > > doug.zirbel@supervalu.com
> > >
>
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