Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:43:02 -0700
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From: "Chamberlain, Rex" <CHAMBRE@MAIL.NORTHGRUM.COM>
Subject: Re: SAS Version 7.00 Requires IE40
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Maybe it would be easier if we just consider IE4 as another of the
zillions of fixes and updates to the grand chaos of Win95. And you know
it will all be fixed by the next release of windows or Win NT or
whatever . . .
P.S. - I have IE4 on my personal pc along with a lot of the other
"updates" and it freezes on a regular basis with no error messages or
other assistance. Isn't that the way windows is supposed to work?
> From: Musial Jerry[SMTP:musialj@BSCC.BLS.COM]
> Reply To: Musial Jerry
> Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 12:18 PM
> To: SAS-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: SAS Version 7.00 Requires IE40
> While Microsoft bashing seems to have become an American pasttime, I
> to disagree with some of the comments below. I believe, as does MS,
> the 'big picture' is the Internet, and any software/hardware company
> moving towards developing/integrating their products towards the
> will miss the boat. MS is certainly a huge player, but it's sales are
> less than 5% of all software sales, hardly a monopoly. In addition,
> they were a monopoly, they would charge $500 instead of $50 for their
> Also, where does the OS end and apps begin? Are the disk
> memory manager, telnet, Wordpad, tcp stack, applications? One used to
> have to purchase these separately. Should MS remove these also?? You
> essentially get all of these, plus more, for free with Windows.
> Integrating the browser with the OS, as they have done with defrag,
> mgr, etc. is just the continuing evolution of Windows.
> I look on the fact that SAS is requiring IE4.0 DLL's as a good sign,
> that I hope other software companies follow. We need more sharing and
> reuse of DLL's. For example, how many different software packages do
> have installed that come with a Calculator program. Do I need six
> different calculator programs installed on my pc. Hell no.
> My recommendation is: Come on over to the Dark Side, buy some shares
> Microsoft, and laugh all the way to the bank!!!
> Jerry Musial
> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:15:27 -0700
> From: "William W. Viergever" <wwvierg@IBM.NET>
> Subject: Re: SAS Version 7.00 Requires IE40
> Yah, it's on SAS for writing to a version of not-yet-released-Windows.
> Again, IMHO, MS should separate OS fixes from their Apps.
> Why is it that all their apps do this?, b/c its gives the MS apps a
> continued "leg up" on the Wordperfects and Lotus who have to wait for
> new Windows feature before they can begin to code their next "best &
> greatest" apps.
> Is this "fair"; I don't think so; it's one reason why MS is a virtual
> DOJ has been relatively "ball-less" in their dealings with this issue;
> choosing instead to focus 1st on "bundling" deals; now "free" browsers
> they still don't see the big picture.
> Again, just my opinions.
> to a Windows that deos
> At 08:29 AM 4/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >So, I agree tha MS is out to burn and destroy, but isn't this
> >problem from SAS not MS? SI wrote version 7 needing stuff not
> >supplied in the OS, yes/no? They know what's there and what needs to
> >added. Could they strike a deal with MS to have the DLLs installed
> >of version 7?
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: William W. Viergever <wwvierg@IBM.NET>
> >Newsgroups: bit.listserv.sas-l
> >To: SAS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU <SAS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
> >Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 6:26 PM
> >Subject: Re: SAS Version 7.00 Requires IE40
> >>B/C SAS v 7.0 needs some feature that's not in GA version of W95
> >> (nor NT) but will run when you "update" your OS by installing IE
> >>IMHO, this is why MS should be broken up into an OS and an Apps
> >> continue to "slipstream" fixes (or purposeful bugs? ask Corel and
> >> their OS' via their apps.
> >>Say you have a stable system and have all your non_MS apps running
> >> you install some new/upgraded MS app and voila', more likely than
> >> the non-MS apps will either not work or require "tweaking".
> >>This is commonly known as "DLL Hell" (e.g., compare to OS/2 where
> >> are stored in the apps' directory(s) vs. in the Windows/System
> >>At 12:45 PM 4/9/98 -0700, Sy Truong wrote:
> >>>Hi Folks,
> >>>I recently installed the beta SAS release 7.00 TS level 00B1 on my
> >>>95 machine and found an interesting requirement. This release
> >>>Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0 before it can even be installed.
> >>>does come with a version of IE4.0 but I currently have Netscape on
> >>>I am curious what your opinion on this requirement of the new
> >>>Sy Truong http://www.meta-x.com
> >>W. W. Viergever
> >>Viergever & Associates
> >>Sacramento, CA
> >>(916) 923-2355
> W. W. Viergever
> Viergever & Associates
> Sacramento, CA
> (916) 923-2355