Date:         Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:42:00 PST
Reply-To:     Thomas M Skinner <Thomas_M_Skinner@CCM.FM.INTEL.COM>
Sender:       "SAS(r) Discussion" <SAS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
From:         Thomas M Skinner <Thomas_M_Skinner@CCM.FM.INTEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Application Development/Client Server BOF at SUGI

                                                Folsom, California
                                                March 7,1997
                                                Sunny, near 70
 
 
Dear SAS-Lers,
 
Paul OldenKamp wrote:
 
SUGI BOF on Application Development and Client Server Issues
 
>I am going to schedule a BOF at 8:00 pm on Tuesday, March
>18th.  Tom Skinner and I discussed combining this BOF with
>the Client/Server BOF but mail from Tom to me has sometimes
>gotten lost on the internet for days and I am a little
>uncertain how things will finally get scheduled.  In any
>case, some of the SAS Institute staff have offered to tell us
>about future developments with SAS/AF so we start with
>that and then go to questions or comments.
 
Paul, I've gotten a few replies to my request for Agenda Items for the
C/S BOF, which I've included below.  In years past, we've gone up to two
hours, but since I have an interest in attending the Data Mining
discussion (7-8) on Tuesday evening, as well as both Paul's and my
desire to not impinge on the either the planning BOF's or SAS-L on
Monday, we decided to join forces.  Given the comments below, you'll see
why it made sense to cover these topics in the combined AD/CS BOF.  I've
added a few comments below as well.
 
David Broughton wrote:
>Hi Tom - I would be interested in finding out about the direction that
>SAS will be taking regarding licensing issues, optimized support for
>multiprocessor NT servers and integrated support for web access.
>I am both relatively new to C/S as well as a relatively small player (1
>server for now) but very interested in this technology from a data
>warehousing perspective.
 
Tom's Note: ME TOO!  But Paul and I agreed not discuss licensing... The
C/S BOF two years really ratholed on this.  As far as SAS System SMP
exploitation on Intel Architecture goes, much of what I am privy to is
considered confidential and under nondisclosure.  I'll check and see
what if any we (Intel and SAS Institute) can talk to.
 
 
KBRUNSON wrote:
>Here at Notre Dame, we need to begin planning for the transfer of
>research databases off the mainframe and into a DFS model, likely into
>AFS and possibly NT or some combination.  The College of Business is
>the primary user of the databases (CRSP, COMPUSTAT, VALUELINE, etc) and
>my role is to make them accessible.  So, at SUGI22 I want to gather
>information that will help me with my plans.
 
Tom's Note: Mainframe transition is still hot!  I did this type of
support during our C/S program phase here a few years ago.  There are a
few papers on this, so I'll try to gather these references together and
present on them.
 
Jerry Kagan wrote:
>I'm most interested in how people are combining SAS and web
>applications and also how people are building AF (FRAME) based client
>server applications.  If people have laptops, demos would be great.
 
Tom's Note: YES!  Any volunteers?  I'd be interested to see if anybody has
followed up on my post about incorporating the new MS Internet Explorer Browser
OCX in an AF application.
 
David Boulware wrote:
>I'm particularly interested in SAS'  thinking/plans on
>what I would consider to be 'real' internet tools for building AF
>applications (data mining, data entry, etc..) for
>implementation on an internet/intranet.
 
Tom's Note:  Hmmmmmm... Are we talking Java? or SCL based?  Certainly a Strong
Client / Strong Server scenario for distributing DM and Visualization tasks
makes some sense.  With PC platforms rapidly scaling up and handling complex VIZ
functions, as well as a potential for both JAVA VM, JIT (Just In Time )
Compiler's. and beefing up of Intel Architecture chips with capabilities such as
MMX Technology (TM) and the possibility of on chip or on board compute intensive
algorithms presents a new C/S model capable of handling these tasks. VIZ in
particular is extremely useful in developing DM models.
 
I'm not sure where Data Entry fits in here.  OLTP via forms based HTML is
commonplace today... Are you suggesting a replacement (migration path) for AF
and FSP applications?
 
OK, that about all I have to offer so far.  I'll work with Paul to further the
agenda.  Keeps those comments coming in...
 
Tom Skinner
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