Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:57:20 +0200
Reply-To: Winston Groenewald <winston.groenewald@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Winston Groenewald <winston.groenewald@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: SAS and its horrible no-good very bad software management
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Perhaps the bigger issue is whether SAS Institute would (or should) consider
it appropriate to analyse your disk to determine what to update.
On 31 August 2010 21:27, Jack Hamilton <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Exactly. The update program should analyze what you have and present
> you with a list of what you can upgrade. Then it downloads only what it
> needs to. This nonsense of going through multiple pages of hotfixes to
> see which ones you need is just ridiculous.
> It could easily give you the option of upgrading only what you have
> licensed, or everything you have installed. It could create a mini
> software depot letting other users reuse what you've already downloaded.
> I don't see a need to prompt for site number or setinit - if you have a
> working version of SAS, the software can figure it out.
> The installation process is easier than it used to be, but it's still
> bad. I don't see that their new hotfix system has helped at all.
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:47 -0500, "Matthew Pettis"
> <matt.pettis@THOMSONREUTERS.COM> wrote:
> > I compare it against Linux-like package installs, with
> > apt/aptitude/rpm/yum etc., or PPM for perl... It just works. It knows
> > your versions, your dependencies, and it just does the right thing
> > quickly and efficiently. And those things are free! And yeah, it would
> > have to manage order numbers and whatever their term is for our unique
> > passwords, but that shouldn't be a big deal.
> > I guess there are at least two ways to compare it -- to history, where
> > it is better than it was in say the 70s, 80s, or 90s, or to the current
> > state of other companies managing their software, in which it compares
> > miserably. Not having a history with SAS that far back, I don't have
> > the perspective of the former, only of the latter, and that is why I'm
> > frustrated.
> > I expect better from a company whose product for which people pay (and
> > is not inexpensive, to boot).
> > Matt
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of
> > Peter Flom
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:35 AM
> > To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: SAS and its horrible no-good very bad software management
> > system
> > Ron Fehd wrote
> > <<<
> > Oh, consider the alternative:
> > Individual hotfixes,
> > yeah, I know that pair is redundant.
> > From where I sit
> > The current system is Sliced Bread
> > You want the Latest&Greatest?
> > -- like EG v4.3 --
> > Get back to me tomorrow and I'll have the depot
> > And all the HotFixes issued up to end of last week.
> > >>>
> > Well, consider how R gets updated: Twice a year, there is a new version.
> > You go to the website, click a button (one for Windows, one for Mac,
> > there's
> > other options too), agree to a couple options and bingo! In 10 minutes
> > or
> > so, you are done.
> > SAS would, of course, need to add a spot to enter your authorization
> > code or
> > whatever, and it might take a little longer than R, since SAS is big,
> > but
> > why is it so hard? Why can't the authorization code automatically
> > determine
> > which parts of SAS you have licensed?
> > I wonder how much Tech Support time is devoted to installation issues.
> > I
> > know that at one point (this was probably 2008) it took me an hour with
> > Tech
> > Support just to update. I doubt I am alone.
> > Peter
> Brevis esse laboro, obscurus fio.
> Jack Hamilton
> Sacramento, California
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