|Date: ||Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:36:02 -0400|
|Reply-To: ||Jay Stevens <jay.l.stevens@GMAIL.COM>|
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|From: ||Jay Stevens <jay.l.stevens@GMAIL.COM>|
|Subject: ||Fwd: Can SAS-L be improved?|
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That seems significantly more complicated and doesn't actually resolve what
I view as the main problem. Right now every voice (whether its a spam
message or from a knowledgeable sas expert) on SAS-L has equal weight.
Further, as you know, in SAS, there are always at least 5 different ways to
solve the same problem. That dynamic isn't biased towards finding the best,
most-useful answers to specific SAS programming questions. Likewise, a
multiple-search-engine interface approach would only exacerbate that
problem. We need a way to filter the signal from the noise, not just find
more noise to sort through.
I don't think that the approach we're taking with www.runsubmit.com is the
*only* good approach, but it is certainly, by now, a proven approach to the
problem as witnessed by the phenomenal success of StackOverflow which took
on a similar problem for the much broader topic of *ALL* programming related
questions. Their defeat of a similarly poor knowledge exchange model
(Experts Exchange) is in process as seen here...
I'm convinced that with enough critical mass of active contributors, this
concept (on www.runsubmit.com) could prove to be a MUCH better one than the
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Arthur Tabachneck <email@example.com>wrote:
> It's a nice concept, but so are all of the others.
> What I was thinking about was actually something similar to a cross
> between Les Jansen's site, those search engines that submit a search to
> multiple search engines and show the results in separate windows, and a
> single point of entry that would allow one to simultaneously post to one
> or more of those sites as well as enroll and specify the degree of
> interaction they want with each.
> On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:34:21 -0400, Jay Stevens <jay.l.stevens@GMAIL.COM>
> >I've raised this same question a few times here over the last 2 years.
> >recently 9 months ago, I posted this:
> > RunSubmit.com is a knowledge exchange site that is focused exclusively
> >on SAS. It uses a reputation system and collaborative voting to ensure
> >the best and most helpful answers to questions are bubbled up to the top.
> > Historically, the primary user-driven community for information about
> >programming and using SAS was SAS-L, the usenet newsgroup comp.soft-
> >This creates a problem for the user in search of knowledge about SAS.
> >much of the content on SAS-L is useful and usable, its not always
> >and the user is left to filter the signal from the noise themselves.
> >RunSubmit.com avoids this issue. Interesting and Useful questions are
> >up by the community. Interesting and useful answers are likewise voted
> >ensuring that the wisdom of the crowd is leveraged for all users.
> >it has the potential to be a significantly better model than SAS-L.
> >newsgroups served their purpose, but really amounts to not much more than
> >searching through a stack of email conversations which users (who are just
> >looking for answers) are forced.
> > In addition, each question on runsubmit.com can have multiple tags
> >allows for a rich categorization of the content to better enable relevant
> > RunSubmit.com is built on top of the same technology that drives
> >www.stackoverflow.com (the programming Q&A site that has quickly become
> >of the top 500 sites on the web) and uses a similar system of reputation
> >xbox-style badges to encourage community participation in something of an
> >addictive way. In addition, as users reach higher levels of reputation,
> >they are granted more capabilities in the system. Ultimately, once the
> >system trusts you through your reputation, both questions and answers
> >editable in a wiki-like way. This allows those users who have earned the
> >trust of their peers to continually improve the questions and answers over
> >Andrew's list of alternate sources of SAS information highlights the
> >problem. There are hundreds of forums/outlets for potentially good SAS
> >information on the web, but without some kind of collaborative filtering
> >encourage the best, most-useful, most-helpful content to rise to the top,
> >none of these are any better than doing a search through that stack of
> >The content and knowledge found in SAS-L over the decades is amazing.
> >Unfortunately, I think that time will shows that SAS-L (as a useful and
> >usable channel to access that information) has been dying a slow death for
> >years with the advent of the social media uprising.
> >Go check it out and see if there might be a slightly better way to do