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Date:         Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:44:36 -0400
Reply-To:     "Fehd, Ronald J. (CDC/OSELS/NCPHI)" <rjf2@CDC.GOV>
Sender:       "SAS(r) Discussion" <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
From:         "Fehd, Ronald J. (CDC/OSELS/NCPHI)" <rjf2@CDC.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Notes from SAS Global Forum
In-Reply-To:  <20100427132525.2923B09F@resin13.mta.everyone.net>
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ah, well, now that makes sense of most of the questions and comments in the SAS Certification Study Guide

"SAS produces both listing and html output" and none of the code examples have ODS HTML ...

thanks for the reminder: Things have Changed! ... without me being consulted!

> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sas-l@listserv.uga.edu [mailto:owner-sas- > l@listserv.uga.edu] On Behalf Of Mary > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:25 PM > To: Alan Churchill > Cc: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > Subject: Re: Notes from SAS Global Forum > > OK, I actually got up the nerve to ask my SAS Administrator if I might > have EG, and he installed it for me today! So I tried doing a straight > proc print, > > Here was my code: > > data test; > infile cards missover; > input x; > cards; > 001 > 002 > 003 > ; > run; > > proc print data=test; > run; > > > and it did all this: > > 1 ;*';*";*/;quit;run; > 2 OPTIONS PAGENO=MIN; > 3 %LET _CLIENTTASKLABEL=%NRBQUOTE(Code); > 4 %LET _EGTASKLABEL=%NRBQUOTE(Code); > 5 %LET _CLIENTPROJECTNAME=%NRBQUOTE(); > 6 %LET _SASPROGRAMFILE=; > 7 > 8 ODS _ALL_ CLOSE; > NOTE: Some of your options or statements may not be supported with the > Activex or Java series > of devices. Graph defaults for these drivers may be different > from other SAS/GRAPH > device drivers. For further information, please contact > Technical Support. > 9 OPTIONS DEV=ACTIVEX; > 10 FILENAME EGHTML TEMP; > NOTE: Writing HTML(EGHTML) Body file: EGHTML > 11 ODS HTML(ID=EGHTML) FILE=EGHTML ENCODING='utf-8' > STYLE=EGDefault > 11 ! > STYLESHEET=(URL="file:///C:/Program%20Files/SAS/Shared%20Files/BIClient > Styles/EGDefau > 11 ! lt.css") > 11 ! > ATTRIBUTES=("CODEBASE"="http://www2.sas.com/codebase/graph/v91/sasgraph > .exe") > 11 ! NOGTITLE NOGFOOTNOTE GPATH=&sasworklocation; > 12 > 13 %gaccessible; > 14 data test; > 15 infile cards missover; > 16 input x; > 17 cards; > > NOTE: The data set WORK.TEST has 3 observations and 1 variables. > NOTE: DATA statement used (Total process time): > real time 0.09 seconds > cpu time 0.06 seconds > > > 21 ; > 22 run; > 23 > 24 proc print data=test; > 25 run; > > NOTE: There were 3 observations read from the data set WORK.TEST. > NOTE: PROCEDURE PRINT used (Total process time): > real time 0.32 seconds > cpu time 0.07 seconds > > > 26 > 27 > 28 %LET _CLIENTTASKLABEL=; > 29 %LET _EGTASKLABEL=; > 30 %LET _CLIENTPROJECTNAME=; > 31 %LET _SASPROGRAMFILE=; > 32 > 33 ;*';*";*/;quit;run; > 2 The SAS System > 15:16 Tuesday, April 27, 2010 > > 34 ODS _ALL_ CLOSE; > 35 > 36 > 37 QUIT; RUN; > 38 > > > Note that I did ***not*** ask EG to give me HTML. So this is one thing > right away that a developer would not like- anyway this developer does > not like it- I want exactly what was asked for, I **** don't ***** want > EG to try to think up something else to give me! > > So my first test made me feel a bit out of control in this environment, > and I really didn't like that. Will try to see if one can turn this > stuff off, but until SAS lets you turn it off, I want to keep my DM > (which I still have). > > -Mary > > > > --- alan.churchill@SAVIAN.NET wrote: > > From: Alan Churchill <alan.churchill@SAVIAN.NET> > To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > Subject: Re: Notes from SAS Global Forum > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:23:52 -0600 > > Exactly what I what to see. > > > > Developers to me are developers. Those who have no bugs cast the first > stone. > > > > Alan > > > > Alan Churchill > > Savian > > Work: 719-687-5954 > > Cell: 719-310-4870 > > > > From: toby dunn [mailto:tobydunn@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:05 PM > To: alan.churchill@savian.net; sas-l@listserv.uga.edu > Subject: RE: Notes from SAS Global Forum > > > > Alan, > > I see it as a positive thingy, Id frame it as what we users want in an > editor. That way we can compile a list of things and let SAS worry how > to > implement it all. While I know EG would be bantered about it would in > essence try to tone down the hard feelings between the pro Eg'ers and > the > Anti-EG'ers... > > Toby Dunn > > "Don't bail. The best gold is at the bottom of barrels of crap." > Randy Pausch > > "Be prepared. Luck is where preparation meets opportunity." > Randy Pausch > > > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:50:25 -0600 > > From: alan.churchill@SAVIAN.NET > > Subject: Re: Notes from SAS Global Forum > > To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > > > > Art, > > > > I am in 100% agreement. That provides a year to get ready and to nail > down > > all of the issues. > > > > I would like to volunteer as a facilitator and I propose that it be > in Joe > > Kelley's Systems area. Panel discussion on editors and SASWare > ballot. > > Perhaps a double timeslot so we have 90 minutes to hit it? > > > > Also, I would suggest that it not be framed negatively vis- -vis EG > but a > > solid, positive statement on what we would like. > > > > Alan > > > > Alan Churchill > > Savian > > Work: 719-687-5954 > > Cell: 719-310-4870 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Arthur Tabachneck [mailto:art297@NETSCAPE.NET] > > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 6:07 PM > > Subject: Re: Notes from SAS Global Forum > > > > Andre and Everyone (hopefully on both the dark and non-dark sides), > > > > I'm not sure where to begin with this post, so I'll simply state some > of > my > > random thoughts, what I'm planning to do and what I'm asking everyone > for. > > > > Many of us who attended this year's SGF came away with the opinion > that > SAS > > was only going to devote much energy or resources toward imporving > > non-Enterprise Guide or similar GUI interfaces, particularly > excluding the > > interface many of us use when we run SAS. > > > > Peter Flom is trying to put together a discussion for NESUG where a > number > > of us might be able to try and understand how programmers and > > non-programmers (or possibly statisticians) can learn what would be > needed > > to better understand each others views, requirements and > idiosyncracies. > > > > In the 37 years that I've been using SAS I've NEVER submitted an idea > for > > the SAS Ware Ballot. Why? It always appeared, to me, that the ballot > was > > for those who had a much better understanding of the programming > language > > than I would ever have. > > > > Putting 2 and 2 together what I think is needed is a focus/discussion > group > > at next year's SGF devoted specifically to the topic of "What does > SAS > need > > to know regarding what those who don't especially like using EG want > to > see > > in upcoming enhancements and why EG won't suffice." However, I don't > want > > to post my suggestion to SASCommunity.org until I hear back from you. > > > > I' not thinking of a focus group in the usual sense of 10 to 20 > people in > a > > room but, rather, a panel and audience comprised of both key players > from > > all groups (including SAS developers, programmers, statisticians, > > non-primarily-EG SAS users and managers) to discuss each other's > concerns, > > along with anyone who feels that they might be able to add anything > else > > that might be important. By key players I'm considering almost anyone > who > > has been in the top 40 SAS-L posters since 1987, however SAS-L > posting > most > > definitely isn't a requirement. > > > > Would SAS listen and respond to our concerns? Personally, that isn't > my > > goal. From a business perspective I'd think that they would, but my > goal > is > > simply to understand all of our views and do something to increase > the > > likelihood that the right people have a chance to hear what we all > have to > > say. > > > > Your thoughts? > > > > Art > > > > p.s. In this post I'm also trying out Jim Groeneveld's suggestion > regarding > > how to simultaneously post to both the listserv and usenet. > > Hopefully, it won't show endlessly long lines. > > ------------- > > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:59:57 +0200, Andre Wielki <wielki@INED.FR> > wrote: > > >Reading this monday morning the contributions of the WE i confirm > that > > >the list is since a long time splitted in two this discussion in on > the > > >listserv side of SAS-L (as Art is namming it) and unknown on the > > >comp.sas side. nevertheless a contribution of xlr82sas has recently > > >take place 10 days ago and i forward it as he presents an opinion > about > > >DM and EG > > > > Andre's full post showing the history of this thread can be found at: > > http://www.listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1004d > <http://www.listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1004d&L=sas-l&P=14645> > &L=sas-l&P=14645 > > _____ > > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars > with > Hotmail. Get busy. > <http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid > =PID2 > 8326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5>


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