Date:         Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:59:20 -0700
Reply-To:     Dennis Deck <DDeck@rmccorp.com>
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From:         Dennis Deck <DDeck@rmccorp.com>
Subject:      Re: HLM-SPSS Tutorial
Comments: To: Neda Faregh <nfaregh@rogers.com>
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The alogroithms used in various HLM packages differ somewhat so some
variation in results is to be expected.  That is certainly true of MIXED
and HLM.  But you must also ensure that your code specified analyses
that were truly identical.  I ran a test of SPSS MIXED and HLM some time
ago and came up with nearly identical results (to several decimal
places) for that particular data set.

Most of my analyses, however, involve binary outcomes - unfortunately
SPSS MIXED cannot handle binary outcomes.

Dennis Deck, PhD
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-----Original Message-----
From: Neda Faregh [mailto:nfaregh@rogers.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: HLM-SPSS Tutorial

Kizzy,
I don't know of an online HLM tutorial for SPSS, but would caution you
against using HLM in SPSS.
I have done HLM analyses in recent past first with SPSS and then with
HLM 6 softwre.
The results are different. This difference is not minor either, you will
draw different conclusions (opposite in my case) from the results of
each software.
 I do prefer HLM 6 and believe it to be the one that gives correct
answers.
There are a couple of books that deal with HLM in SPSS specifically. One
is Leech, Barrett, and Morgan's  SPSS for Intermediate statistics. The
other is of course Norusis' SPSS 16.0 advanced statistical procedures
companion.
Of the two I much prefer Norusis' book.

Neda
Carleton U.

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of
vlad simion
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 2:55 AM
To: SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: HLM-SPSS Tutorial

Hi Kizzy,

try this links:

http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/
http://www.ssicentral.com/hlm/examples.html

Hth,
Vlad

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Kizzy M Parks <parksk@fit.edu> wrote:

> Hello:
> Does anyone know of an on-line HLM-SPSS tutorial?
> If so, please reply with the link.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Kizzy M. Parks, Ph.D
>
> Florida Tech
>
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