Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:09:08 -0400
Reply-To: Gerhard Hellriegel <gerhard.hellriegel@T-ONLINE.DE>
Sender: "SAS(r) Discussion" <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
From: Gerhard Hellriegel <gerhard.hellriegel@T-ONLINE.DE>
Subject: Re: new to the sas
Arjun,
to get a job is quite simple: look for a site which is looking for a SAS
expert and convince them that you are one.
Ok, for that you HAVE to be a SAS expert.
If you want to become a SAS expert. you might look for a site who are
looking for someone who is intelligent enough to become a SAS expert in a
not too long time. That site might prefer a not so expensive beginner
which is clever enough to do the job anyway, but needs some more time. In
a few years, you might be as far as Mary and many other SAS experts here
in that list.
Another thing: there are few jobs for pure SAS experts. All sites prefer
good SAS experts which have also other skills, e.g. knowledge about
building data-warehouses, business intelligence, economics, statistics,
other programming environments, web, networks, knowledge about operating
systems, ... So don't be focused on only SAS! The more skills you have,
the more jobs you can get and the more money you can get also. Imagine a
site wants a DWH expert and are in the beginning of their way to build
one. For that site you might be not valuable if you tell them, "I can help
you, but only if you decide to use SAS". Better is, you can say: "I can
help you, because I'm a DWH expert and I have already built one with great
success using SAS".
To come back to the carpenter: a carpenter is not good, because he is good
at sawing, but if he can build good roofs, he might be a good carpenter.
And he is even a better carpenter, if he can do also other things, if
there are no roofs to be built sometimes...
Good luck on your way.
Gerhard
On Fri, 23 May 2008 09:25:22 -0500, Mary <mlhoward@AVALON.NET> wrote:
>I have no interest in helping you find a job; I do continue to find your
written language skills to be quite bad, so even if I had a job to offer I
wouldn't hire you, but I'm not an employer in any case. Try
www.monster.com; but I'd suggest you work on improving your written
language skills if you expect to get a postion.
>
>-Mary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arjun A
> To: Mary
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: new to the sas
>
>
> Hi mary ,
>
> I Really want to say thanks for giving such a valueble
information .Let me tell u one thing that i have already been trained in
sas, during mba itself .Please give me u r valueble inforamtion that where
can i get the oppurtunities and what sort of steps has to be taken to get
job .
>
> Mary <mlhoward@avalon.net> wrote:
> A few points on "choosing SAS as a career".
>
> Choosing SAS implies that you will either become a computer
programmer (usually with a strong database/data mining perspective), or a
statistical programmer/statistician. In order to become that you'd need:
>
> 1. Strong written language skills, which is the ability to write
clearly so that everybody can understand what you have written. Your
language in asking the question below is very lax, in that you are using
few capitals, poor spelling, and substitute letters like "r" and "u" which
would not be easy for everyone to understand, even English speakers, let
alone people whose first language is not English. Programmers often set
up work and then move on to another position, and the documentation and
programs they leave behind has to speak for itself.
>
> **Arjun, I have to say that your language below is not encouraging in
terms of your ability to become a SAS programmer.**
>
> 2. The ability to concentrate and work for very long periods of
time. Programmers often sit for 8 hours a day and don't talk to anyone
except perhaps on e-mail. Very social people usually can't do this very
well.
>
> 3. The ability to conform to programming standards, such as
indentation and programming style.
>
> 4. The ability to problem-solve.
>
> 5. A foundation. You've got an MBA, and I assume that means that
you have little foundation in the way of computer programming courses or
statistical courses. You'd really have to have some sort of foundation in
order to do well. I think someone could acquire a foundation, but I'm
wary of those with no foundation really being able to become a SAS
programmer. An example of a foundation would be:
> a. Taking 10 or so SAS Institute Courses in the area that you want
to specialize in (SAS database or SAS statistical programming).
> b. Taking a computing certificate in Microsoft Office (XP, Word,
Excel, Access), because SAS programmers often interact with these
products, or some sort of equivalent.
> c. Taking a number of applied statistics courses (for data
mining/SAS statistical programming.
> d. Taking a number of object-oriented computer programming courses
(.NET, C#, JAVA, PowerBuilder).
>
> Becoming a SAS programmer takes years, not just a few months. If you
are someone who is willing to engage in continuing education and constant
learning for years and years, then you can become a better and better SAS
programmer as you go.
>
> But then, I think any profession requires a foundation and then
constant improvement. My brother is a carpenter, and started out as an
apprentice to a master carpenter, and also took classes at the community
college. It was only after years of training that he was able to start
his own business and actually call himself a carpenter.
>
> You asked my opinion!
>
> -Mary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gets_arjun@YAHOO.COM
> To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:02 AM
> Subject: new to the sas
>
>
> HI all ,
>
> This is arjun and i did my mba. i would like to choose sas as
a
> career . I need u people suggistions that wether will it be a
suitable
> for me r not and onemorething is if i choose sas how the future
will
> be
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