Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:13:41 +0000
Reply-To: toby dunn <tobydunn@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: toby dunn <tobydunn@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: call for papers: SAS Global Forum 2008
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Dianne ,
Let me put it another way and lay out my position whether popular or not I
have had more than one person email me urging me to stay my course on this.
Heck even had on jokingly say I would be blacklistedfor even brouching the
subject. Many people have no clue whom to complain or make suggestions too
or even to ask questions off about SGF. Heck if one reads the section
descriptions it seems that the two tutorial sections one would have to
already have demonstated via a previous presentation at a regional. There
is nothing saying one can submit a great idea and ot would considered. The
hands on workshop doesnt state any thing one way or the other so it simple
leaves the impression the workshops will be select by some magical method.
First off I like the idea that breaking the Tutorials section into 2, makes
perfect sense. What I have always had a hard time with is the invitation
only part of the tutorials and now also the Hands On section. While I dont
mind inviting certain people and paying for their registration, heck I would
encourage it so long as it is limited too its own section. Where the
section chairs did their due diligence in searching the Regionals making
sure to grab the top papers and presentors. I see it as a way of rewarding
folks doing outstanding work and for presenting at the Regionals. It would
thereby open up the tutorials and hands on sections back to general paper
submission by the public. It should encourage more people to write papers
for these sections and hopefully get more good information out to the
general SAS community.
While I am on the preverable soap box I have had many people ask me why the
Hands On Work shops have gone from being hands on to just listening to
someone talk then them run a precanned hunk of code. I really couldnt
answer them since I havent been to a hands on in a long time nor could I
safely conclude that it was limited to any one workshop(s). But it seems to
be a concern that more than a few people have stated too me and they were
very animated in their disapproval. Since I have pondered doing a Hands on
I asked them what they wanted in a Hands On Work Shop, it seems they want
some one to explain the subject and then have them write the code from
scratch using what ever it is the hands on is over.
Toby Dunn
If anything simply cannot go wrong, it will anyway. Murphys Law #2.
The buddy system is essential to your survival; it gives the enemy somebody
else to shoot at.
Murphys Law #
Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he'll believe
you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be
sure. Murphys Law #9
From: Dianne Rhodes <diannerhodes@COMCAST.NET>
Reply-To: Dianne Rhodes <diannerhodes@COMCAST.NET>
To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: call for papers: SAS Global Forum 2008
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:49:21 -0400
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:04:18 +0000, toby dunn <tobydunn@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>Mike ,
>
>The point is you go from One section that was invitation only to 3. Makes
>one wonder whats up and next year how many will more will be invitation
>only. I only worry that many people cant get the time off and/or money to
>go to a Regional and then SGF. They have to pick one or the other. Which
>means we may very well be missing out on something good. The whole
rational
>for invitation only sections boggles my "little" mind. I got lucky last
>year and Paul Choate let me tag along on the invited paper we did
together.
>Otherwise I wouldnt have made it to Orlando. I just hate the fact that
>there may be people excluded from presenting because they werent invited.
>
Well, it's not like being invited to a Wedding, Toby. You can email the
section chair and let them know your Great Ideas. Then maybe they will be
happy to "invite" you. The thing is for SGF the "invitee" does not pay
registration. If there are too many people getting perks as invitees,
executive committee, etc., etc., it is hard to break even. Ask Ed about
SESUG. I remember one year early in my NESUG attendance hearing a
conference chair get reamed out for ordering additional pitchers of orange
juice for the continental breakfast. Seemed unfair at the time, but at
$35 a pop (probably more now)it adds up.
Dianne @ BLS / BAE
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