Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:49:17 -0400
Sender: "SAS(r) Discussion" <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
Subject: Re: OT: Lies, Damned Lies, and Official Statistics
The best means (?) to get a fair analysis is through independent
verification of results. Where the independent body has similar vested
interests to the originating body then a double pinch of salt is required.
What evidence is there to back this research up? For a politician to attempt
to rub out one line in a report is one thing; to rebuke accepted wisdom is
another thing altogether.
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:00:42 -0400, Jim Groeneveld <jim1stat@YAHOO.CO.UK> wrote:
>Interesting and striking story. I bet it isn't unique. What could you do as
>a straight statistician or researcher? I think, first of all to make sure
>even more firmly for yourself, that the conclusions you have drawn, are
>correct indeed, though not exaggerated. Secondly, talk, talk and talk to
>try to convince your supervisors of the justification of the inclusion of
>them. Thirdly, you might succeed in reporting the case to their
>supervisors. Fourthly, as the whole situation wouldn't be acceptable to you
>anyway, and your position would not be maintainable to yourself either, you
>could try to change jobs on your own initiative. Fifthly, and possibly next
>to that, you could try to make things public via other means, including the
>pressure, which has happened in this case. You might be called a "bell-
>ringer" (as we say here). And even then your position often may be
>Well, easy said, difficult to do, and I am hardly in such a situation.
>Regards - Jim.
>On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:33:16 -0400, Fehd, Ronald J <rjf2@CDC.GOV> wrote:
>>All the news that fits, I fwd
>>you may need to register if you have not previously read the NYT online.
>>FYI. New York Times article below about the replacement of the director
>>of the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).
>>From: Teaching and Learning Statistics [mailto:EDSTAT-L@lists.psu.edu]
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:45 AM
>>Subject: Lies, Damned Lies, and Official Statistics
>>From Today's New York Times. What should one do
>>when one is asked to "spin" statistical results to make a
>>situation "look better" or "less offensive"?
>>Profiling Report Leads to a Demotion
>>By ERIC LICHTBLAU
>>Published: August 24, 2005
>>WASHINGTON, Aug. 23 -
>>The Bush administration is replacing the director
>>of a small but critical branch of the Justice Department, months after
>>he complained that senior political officials at the department were
>>seeking to play down newly compiled data on the aggressive police
>>treatment of black and Hispanic drivers.
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