Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:11:15 -0500
Reply-To: John Norton <jnorton@lumc.edu>
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From: John Norton <jnorton@lumc.edu>
Subject: Re: CTABLES documentation?
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Hi Mike,
That's where I foresee the value in this list, and in sites like Raynald's SPSS Tools (http://pages.infinit.net/rlevesqu/). I've used, worked with and worked for SPSS for more than 20 years and have come to learn that there is very little in the way of data restructuring that SPSS can't do. But again, it's a learned approach; knowing how your data is currently structured, envisioning the table you want to create, and then restructuring your data in such a way as to facilitate the table. Sometimes, the approach will require some creative thinking such that you are "fooling" the application.
That all said, I'd encourage you to utilize the resources available in the participants on this listserv, as well as on sites like Raynald's.
John Norton
Biostatistician
Oncology Institute
Loyola University Medical Center
(708) 327-3095
jnorton@lumc.edu
"Everything that can be counted isn't worth counting,
and everything that is worth counting isn't always countable."
- Einstein
>>> Michael Healy <healym@earthlink.net> 04/06/05 11:01 AM >>>
Thanks John, Your note was very insightful. The main problem I foresee
would be the data structuring which could be prohibitive in our environment.
Mike
on 4/6/05 6:35 AM, John Norton at jnorton@lumc.edu wrote:
> Michael,
>
> The best documentation I know of is the Tables course guide, available from
> SPSS. That documentation makes readily available the simplicity of the
> module, almost to the point of redundancy.
>
> However, having both used that module and taught the course, I know that
> frequently the core issue with the module is the structure - or more
> precisely, the restructuring - of the data. That usually requires some amount
> of learning, and is kind of an acquired approach to the data and the module.
>
> Thankfully there are other courses offered by SPSS, as well as the assistance
> available on this list to help with data restructuring.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> John Norton
> Biostatistician
> Oncology Institute
> Loyola University Medical Center
>
> (708) 327-3095
> jnorton@lumc.edu
>
>>>> Frederic Villamayor <fvillamayor-research@ferrergrupo.com> 04/06/05 2:13 AM
>>>> >>>
> Michael,
>
> The instalation disc should contain the manuals of the software you are
> using, in PDF format. If properly installed, this manuals must be also in
> the SPSS folder, and should be accessible by the menu: Help>Syntax
> Guide>Custom Tables.
>
> HTH
>
> Frederic
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> michael healy <healym@earthlink.net>
> Enviado por: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> 06.04.2005 00:32
> Por favor, responda a michael healy
>
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> Para: SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> Asunto: [SPSSX-L] CTABLES documentation?
>
>
> Hi,
> I think the CTABLES command is great and I'd like to proselytize it among
> other users at work who are not experts with SPSS. Can anyone recommend a
> light and accessible manual/tutorial that answers basic questions such as
> table formatting, nesting, using multiple non-nested categorical
> variables, data types, and sig testing and gives examples? I'm looking
> for something more basic than the syntax command reference.
> Thanks,
> Mike
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