Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:38:14 -0700
Reply-To: "William W. Viergever" <wwvierg@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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From: "William W. Viergever" <wwvierg@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: list of 10
Here is a list of 1 things *you* should NOT do:
Don't send this crap to the SAS-List; it's not the place for *your*
At 04:32 PM 4/10/2002 +0300, Tareq Al-Maghrabi wrote:
><BIG UGLY SNIP>
>Here is a list of 10 things we "Muslims/Arabs" will NEVER do:
>1 - We will never applaud Israeli and American destruction of Palestine.
What Palestine? ... there has never been one, a "mandate" yes, but never a
From 1517-1917 Turkey's Ottoman Empire controlled what is today Lebanon,
Syria, and Palestine. During World War I (1914-1918), Turkey supported
Germany. When Germany was defeated, so were the Turks. In 1916 control of
the southern portion of their Ottoman Empire was "mandated" to France and
Britain under the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divided the Arab region into
zones of influence. Lebanon and Syria were assigned to France... and
"Palestine" (today's Jordan, Israel and "West Bank") was assigned to Great
Because no other peoples had ever established a national homeland here
since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British "looked
favorably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland throughout ALL
of Palestine. The Jews had already begun mass immigration into Palestine in
the 1880's in an effort to rid the land of swamps and malaria and prepare
the rebirth of Israel. (There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of
what few Arabs there were!) This Jewish effort to revitalize the land
attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who
were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions.
>2 - We will never label our resistance movements as "terrorists" and Israeli
>terror as "retaliation."
In 1923, the British divided Palestine into two administrative districts.
Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan river. In effect, the
British had "chopped off" 75% of the originally proposed Jewish Palestinian
homeland to lay the seeds of what would become in 1946 the Arab Palestinian
Nation of "Trans-Jordan," meaning "across the Jordan River." The
Palestinian Arabs now had THEIR "Arab Palestinian" homeland. The remaining
25% of Palestine (now WEST of the Jordan River) was to be the Jewish
Palestinian homeland. However, sharing was not part of the Arab
psychological makeup then nor now and they were determined to get ALL of
that remaining 25%.
Encouraged and incited by growing Arab nationalism throughout the Middle
East, the Arabs of that small remaining Palestinian territory west of the
Jordan River launched never-ending murderous attacks upon the Jewish
Palestinians in an effort to drive them out. Most terrifying were the
Hebron slaughters of 1929 and later the 1936-39 "Arab Revolt." The British,
at first tried to maintain order but soon (due to the large oil deposits
being discovered throughout the Arab Middle East) turned a blind eye. It
became obvious to the Palestinian Jews that they must fight the Arabs AND
drive out the British.
>3 - We will never relinquish our right to Jerusalem.
The Palestinian Jews were forced to form an organized defense against the
Arabs.... thus was formed the Hagana, the beginnings of the Israeli Defense
Forces [IDF]. There was also a Jewish underground called the Irgun led by
Menachem Begin (who later became Prime Minister of Israel). Besides
fighting the Arabs, the Irgun was instrumental in driving out the pro-Arab
British. Finally in 1947 the British had enough and turned the Palestine
matter over to the United Nations.
The U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan was to divide the remaining 25% of
Palestine into a Jewish-Palestinian State and a SECOND Arab-Palestinian
State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population concentration.
The Jewish Palestinians accepted... the Arab Palestinians rejected. The
Arabs still wanted ALL of Palestine... both east and west of the Jordan
River. On May 14, 1948 the Palestinian Jews finally declared their own
State of Israel and became "Israelis." On the next day, Israel was at war
with seven neighboring Arab armies... Egypt, Trans-Jordan, Syria, Lebanon,
Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen. Most of the Arabs living within the
boundaries of the newly declared "ISRAEL" were encouraged to leave by the
invading Arab armies to facilitate the slaughter of the Jews and were
promised to be given all Jewish property after the victorious Arab armies
won the war. When the 19 month war ended, however, Israel won and survived
despite a 1% loss of it's entire population! Those Arabs who did not run
away became today's Israeli Arab citizens. Those who fled became the seeds
of the first wave of "Palestinian Arab refugees."
>4 - We will never stop aiding all our people in Palestine, including those
>who choose to die as martyrs.
Martyrs ... or Murderers?
>5 - We will never applaud US jets leveling any of our cities.
>6 - We will never stop protesting your biased war on terror and your blind
>support of Israeli brutality. You call this incitement; we call it courage,
>faith and resilience.
>7 - We will never stop calling for the end of the illegal Israeli occupation
>of our homeland.
The end result of the 1948-49 Israeli War of Independence was the creation
of a Jewish-State slightly larger than that which was proposed by the
United Nations two years before. What remained of that almost-created
second Arab Palestinian State was gobbled up by Egypt (occupying the Gaza
Strip) and by Trans-Jordan (occupying Judea-Samaria (the "West Bank" of the
Jordan River) and Jerusalem. In the next year (1950) Trans-Jordan formally
merged this West Bank territory into itself and granted all those Arabs
living there Jordanian citizenship. Since Trans-Jordan was no longer
confined to one side of the Jordan River, it renamed itself simply "JORDAN.
In the final analysis, the Arabs of Palestine ended up with nearly 85% of
the original territory of Palestine. But that was still not 100% and thus
the conflict between Arab and Jew for "Palestine" would continue through
four more wars and continuous Arab terrorist attacks upon the Israeli
citizenry! It continues to this very day.
From 1948-67 when all of Judea-Samaria [West Bank] ... including
Jerusalem!) ended up under Arab [Jordanian] control, no effort was EVER
made to create a second Palestinian State for the Arabs living there.
Why is that? Why do you expect Israel to now provide these same Arabs with
their own country when their fellow Arabs failed to do so?
>8 - We will never stop honoring our martyrs and observing a moment of
>silence for our fallen warriors.
>9 - We will never forget the Palestinian Holocaust of 1948.
From above, seven Arab armies attack Israel in '48. Israel wins. You call
that a Holocaust?
Where are the ovens?
>We will never watch idly as Israel and America orchestrate a new one in 2002.
>10 - We will never side with the Bushes and Sharons of this world. We will
>never side with genocide, mass murder, transfer and expulsion. I guess this
>means, according to Bush's simplistic either-or logic, that we are on the
>side of the terrorists. So be it. We believe we are on the side of the
>martyrs, on the side of decency, humanity, civility, fortitude and freedom;
>concepts which your brave American warriors of the past once strove so
>valiantly to uphold. But Alas, no more.
Tareq, you of course are free to hold whatever opinions you may have, but
puuuleeeeeez, in the future, try to refrain from posting them to this List.
We are a great group of international folks, many Arabs, and many Jews ...
and even a few gentiles <g>.
*BUT* if you persist, at least respect the caliber of the audience herein
and GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!
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