Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:37:24 -0700
Reply-To: "Kaul, Rajeeve" <RKaul@ADVANTA.COM>
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From: "Kaul, Rajeeve" <RKaul@ADVANTA.COM>
Subject: Re: SUGI+Age
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Except that I know that most large schools that have a SAS license also have
a systems support department that has people who support SAS on campus - SAS
educational licenses are not supported by SAS institute. These support
people are students and professors/programmers that take up jobs and teach
themselves enough SAS to in some cases be quite good at it. So I would not
dismiss the possibility of there being students that are good SAS
programmers- if you want verification try UMASS Amherst and Penn State....
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Edgington [mailto:Jim.Edgington@LABONE.COM]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 2:00 PM
To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: SUGI+Age
Part of the problem is SAS is not a language commonly taught in computer
science programs in college. It is cost prohibitive for departments to
teach it. The college's mission is to teach people to think, not to learn
skills specific to any one job. (Can you tell I was Jesuit educated?)
Learning the thought process of programming on SAS is no better than any
other language, and every other language is cheaper to maintain. This means
your younger programmers are limited to grad students, who have no money and
no travel budget to speak of, or entry level SAS people, either new to
programming or new to SAS. Those people are trying to learn the language
and its quirks and are not the type likely to volunteer to present a paper
at a national meeting. (Or able to get the funding to go.) There is also
the fact that new people to SAS do not know about SUGI or things like this
list. (I didn't know this list existed for the first 3 years I programmed.
My first boss didn't know about this list until I told him ...)
Then, people who job hop, tend not to get funding to go ...
IMHO these are the reasons for older people at SUGI,
Jim Edgington
-----Original Message-----
From: msz03@HEALTH.STATE.NY.US [mailto:msz03@HEALTH.STATE.NY.US]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 3:27 PM
To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.VT.EDU
Subject: SUGI+Age
Just one more thing on SUGI and age of participants. I was once a regular
attendee of an annual epidemiology meeting. Each year, there was a student
paper competition and several winners (the number escapes me, as do many
things as the neurons continue their inexorable descent into total
atrophy). Each winner got a FREE trip (travel, hotel, registration) to the
meeting and a slot to present the paper. The organizers picked up the tab.
How about a student paper competition at SUGI? Or, maybe broaden it to
first-time-presenter competition with 'the meeting' picking up the tab for
several winners. Of course, we could get retired consultants submitting
their first paper which would further skew the average age to the right.
Maybe there should be an age cap. But then there'd be an age
discrimination suit. So, maybe it's not that good an idea.
Oh well, it's one possible way to encourage a younger crowd with some new
ideas.
Mike Zdeb
NYS Department of Health
ESP Tower-Room 1811
Albany, NY 12237
P:518/473-2855 F:630/604-1475
