Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:22:57 +0100
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From: Peter Crawford <peter.crawford@DB.COM>
Subject: Re: running SAS from html -- and pricing that license
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I don't /* like having to */
buy something I don't /* want to */
(like a hesitant programmer I comment out those bits I don't believe, in case I
need them later ! )
I don't like the fact that there is nothing to license between very singular and
"the world size".
Fortunately, I don't have to use the product if I don't like the terms !
However, I don't think building a substitute for SAS/Intrnet will(or should)
save the large amount of license fee that has been described. Particularly if
the fee increase is only for the "public access use" idea.
If SI accept their customers operate within the terms of a license, then SI
don't need to set the fee for SAS/Intrnet as if every instance installed will be
used for unlicensed (open public) access. SI should let us buy
open-public-access when we need it.
The pricing model as implemented by SI will encourage the take-up of competing
alternatives to replace the SAS System. (my self interest shows==>That will
weaken the market for my skills and consultancy by making The SAS System more of
a niche solution. (end of self interest?)
SI may justify big fees for empowering a modelling system that creates profits
from data mining, or saves enormous amounts of creditcard fraud. But those don't
need open public access. (not sure about creditcard fraud)
Core, profit generating, systems are usually more commercially sensitive and
secret than those needing 'open public access'. For public access data, I don't
see the need for the SAS System. ( I might like to use it, and choose to use it
if and when the fees are competitive !)
Perhaps the pricing model is trying to encourage us not to see the SAS System as
the answer to everything !
(my self interest is showing again)
The open source idea is very challenging -
- - I would have to examine it on a wider basis before passing comment.
Datum: 06.03.2000 21:30
An: Peter Crawford/Zentrale/DeuBaExt
Betreff: Re: running SAS from html -- and pricing that license
Peter Crawford wrote:
> I wonder if SI will persue much further along the intrnet theory, their
> It was explained to me that the european pricing of AppDevStudio was high
> because there was no "single user" licensing available for SAS/Intrnet.
> I have been having difficulty making sense of their pricing model. It seems to
> be along the lines of
> "pricing by potential for multiple use"
> (this is my terminology)
> When a SAS application server is attached to the internet, the potential for
> "multiple use" is *globally* large !!
Have a look at http://intraknot.sourceforge.net - I discuss issues of
> This might explain also why a unix server will command large license fees
> without SAS/Intrnet), - it is priced simply in proportion to the potential for
> multiple use (and NOT actual use)
> Any licensee of the SAS System should carefully read and understand their
> agreement with the SAS Institute.
> Using a SAS system to act as an application server responding to html type
> queries, would convert a desktop to a server for the purposes of the agreement
> and affect the fees for licensing. That is independent of whether the
> is through SAS/Intrnet or your own alternative mechanisms. If you only license
> for single use, then I expect an internet attachment acting on html queries
> breach the license. If use of such an attachment is to be within license (as
> might prefer) cost will be (much?) increased.
> But I haven't heard any quotes, only anecdotes.
> Is there evidence out there ?
Yes, I agree, but the only versions of SAS which are licensed on a
single-user basis are SAS for Windows and SAS for the Mac. All other
versions, including SAS for Windows NT Server, are licensed for
simultaneous use by unlimited users (which is why they cost more).
"Users" can be anyone employed or contracted by the licensee. The
premium charged for SAS/IntrNet appears to be to cover the license
extension which comes with SAS/IntrNet which allows anyone, anywhere, to
use your (multi-user) copy of SAS via a SAS/IntrNet application across
the Internet. OK, fair enough, but then why is there no discount for
SAS/IntrNet when it is used purely for internal use by employees on an
> Hoping to hear your stories of the licensing prices for internet attachment of